Friday, February 22, 2013

Bible Stories: Adam and Eve and the... snake?

A jewish Friend of mine once told me a very profound thing.

The bible, written in old hebrew, is very hard to translate and, actually, CANNOT be translated.

Because it is written as an allegory, with nuances that only people steeped in that culture will get, and that basically the so called "christian bible" is a mess of mistranslated, out of context shit.

In truth, jews laugh at the idiotic christians who mangled the whole "holy" book.

The more I study the bible, the more I agree with him.

Lets take the biblical story that everybody knows, the most familiar one - the one about the first man and woman (human) on this planet.

I will analyze this (supposedly) simple story in two parts, first in English, and then in old hebrew.


The English Adam and Eve

Good old Wiki:

In the Book of Genesis, God fashions Adam from dust and places him in the Garden of Eden, where he is to have dominion over the plants and animals. Eve is later created to be his companion. God places a tree in the garden which he prohibits Adam and Eve from eating. However, a serpent tricks Eve into eating from it, and they are subsequently expelled from the garden for disobeying God, who visits upon them and their progeny numerous hardships as punishment.
A very simple story.

If you want to read the original, the teacher's version, or the kids (!) version, why not peruse DLTK's Bible Activities for Kids (here be the Genesis from King James version).

In English, a very simple, even simplistic story, with nothing behind it.

But lets think on it for a moment.

The good god (yahweh) made everything he could imagine for our heroes in the prison, I mean paradise, and allowed them to partake (eat, try) everything EXCEPT one thing:

"2:17  But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

The tree of knowledge of good and evil.

The tree of knowledge.

Think on this for one moment, let it sink in - the god (he? it? alien? yahweh?) er, thing, forbade our human intrepid innocents to "eat of" the tree of knowledge, because,  "thou shalt surely die."

Here we have the almighty forbidding humans knowledge.

You two can prance around, play hokey and hopskotch, but real knowledge is not for you.

To make you two docile slaves, ignorant of the world and reality...

Enter dramatis personae: the snake (badum tschh dramatic music insert here).

The eeeeeeevil snake tempts our wonderful, pure, innocent Eve into eating this fruit and lo and behold, humans... gain knowledge.

Gain intelligence.

Humans start thinking about the world and their situation.

Start to make clothes for themselves.

Start to QUESTION.

In short, it is only by eating this fruit from the tree of knowledge, that Adam and Eve became human.

Before, they were not fully human - they were unintelligent creatures, VERY pliable to their slavemaster, I mean the good god guy, and obeying every order post haste.

Pliable slaves.

The Church doctrine in Christianity is to treat this event as a calamity, as the "original sin", for which Jesus had to go on a cross and die.

I would posit that this event should be CELEBRATED, as the moment that our two intrepid ancestors break the chains and try to get out from their terrible, terrible bondage.

Interestingly, please compare what god and what the serpent have said to our first humans:

2:17  But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

versus

3:4  And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

3:5  For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Who told the truth?

The super goody God or the eeeeeeevil serpent?

Who is the good guy in this story, boys and girls?

The god guy, who lies and tries to prevent humans from gaining knowledge and bettering themselves?

Or is it the serpent, who (he? it? she?) who guides humans into becoming, well... human, and knowledgeable, and curious (an EXTREMELY important trait, perhaps the most important human trait of all - without curiosity, even with intelligence and language, we would be a far worse product than we are now).

Another, totally unconnected and off the wall fact is that the symbol of medicine is a snake... climbing a pole... or perhaps a tree...

Of course, the current version of this symbol is that it has nothing to do with the ole Adam and Eve and the snake story, and is instead (Wiki:Serpent (symbolism); Modern medicine) based off the myth of the serpent and the staff of Asclepius, or is it Hermes, and absolutely, positively nothing to do with the bible and the snake which set humanity on its way.

Let me ask again.

Who is the good guy in this story, boys and girls?


The Old Hebrew Adam and Eve

And now for the super fun part.

One of the first and most important differences one immediately notices between this version and dumbed down christian version is that the dramatis personae are... different.

Specifically, the snake... is not a snake.

The word used is nachash (naw-kash), which translates to: magician, enchanter, spellbinder; to illuminate, shine.

Oh, and also, it is a word for "serpent".

Don't believe me?

Do your own research; here is a good gateway to the concept of nachash in the bible - anthrocivitas - somebody has really done their homework (and this time it wasn't me, saving me oodles of time).

Some quotes (from the various sources linked to that page):
The Hebrew word Nachash is translated to "shine" (like brass) or whisper (as in enchantment). The Nachash was not a literal snake. The Nachash was, to use literal Hebrew, a 'shining enchanter.' He was also 'shrewd' (smooth or slick), as a descriptive term in the Hebrew for 'naked and cunning' in deceiving Eve. Scripture goes on to say that the Nachash was - "above (higher in intelligence) than any living thing 'of the field' that Yahweh Elohim had made." 
nachash
naw-khash'
a primitive root; properly, to hiss, i.e. whisper a (magic) spell; generally, to prognosticate:--X certainly, divine, enchanter, (use) X enchantment, learn by experience, X indeed, diligently observe.

nachash
nakh'-ash
from 'nachash'; an incantation or augury:--enchantment.

nchash
nekh-awsh'
(Aramaic) corresponding to 'nchuwshah'; copper:--brass.

nachash
naw-khawsh'
from 'nachash'; a snake (from its hiss):--serpent.

Nachash
naw-khawsh'
the same as 'nachash'; Nachash, the name of two persons apparently non-Israelite:--Nahash.
So, as you can see, not necessarily a snake.

Not an animal.

A pretty smart nachash, brass like, shiny, illuminator...

Wait a moment.

We are all familiar with the one who is called the one who brings the light, the illuminated one, yes, boys and girls, lets go there (to the wiki, of course):

Lucifer (pron.: /ˈlsɪfər/ or /ˈljsɪfər/) is the King James Version rendering of the Hebrew word הֵילֵל in Isaiah 14:12. This word, transliterated hêlēl or heylel, occurs only once in the Hebrew Bible and according to the KJV-influenced Strong's Concordance means "shining one, morning star, Lucifer". The word Lucifer is taken from the Latin Vulgate, which translates הֵילֵל as lucifer, meaning "the morning star, the planet Venus" (or, as an adjective, "light-bringing"). The Septuagint renders הֵילֵל in Greek as ἑωσφόρος (heōsphoros), a name, literally "bringer of dawn", for the morning star. Kaufmann Kohler says that the Greek Septuagint translation is "Phosphoros".

Venus is one bright motherfucking star, boys and girls, and has saved the lives of countless ancient mariners, seamen, merchants...

Go grab your bible (or look online, I don't care) and see how god chastises, and, really gets all mad at this "snake" non-animal:
  
Ezekiel 28:17:  
Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

This was not a snake, but a charming, extremely beautiful, seductive, trickster, sly, smart, beguiling creature (it? he? she? snake?).

Again, not a snake.

The light bringer is the one who helps out humans, who represents the Good.

Usually in Hollywood movies, when a hero in a horror movie or a fantasy movie is in trouble, in darkness, he is rescued by a source of light, thereby saving him and his quest - recall the Lord of the Rings little hobbit fighting the giant snake, using the light bringer as his helper...

Hopefully you understand by now that the snake from the dumbed down bible version for idiots (for christians, if you will) is not really a snake, but rather a creature, a very seductive, beguiling creature.

And what happens to a woman when exposed to such charm, sophistication, world-wise, seduction?


From the King James version:

3:6  And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

Sounds innocent enough - Eve ate the fruit, with the serpent animal doing nothing but just, I guess, observing, and then she and her man ate some more fruit.

"Pleasant to the eyes" is in hebrew one word - chamad.

chamad: to desire, take pleasure in
Original Word: חָמַד
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: chamad
Phonetic Spelling: (khaw-mad')
Short Definition: covet

NASB Translation
attracted (1), covet (6), coveted (1), delight (1), desirable (2), desire (1), desired (2), desires (2), pleasing (1), precious (2), precious things (1), took great delight (1).

Now, things get mighty confusing here, and the good ole hebrews didn't do a very good job of (copying) this myth (and all others, actually) from other religions.

That's right - as I proved in my previous Bible Stories entry, the whole bible is a copypasta plagiarism, each and every story attributed to the jews is really a copy of a more ancient story from another culture.

Adam and Eve are taken from... well, lets take a look at the usually very reliable Wiki.

It lists the first man and/or woman myth from all ancient religions...

Wait a moment...

Something is missing in that Wiki entry about the myth of the first man and woman.

The one (goddamn fucking) religion that the jews actually copied from.

Ancient Roots:
“Adamu” is the name in Sumerian mythology for the first man, created by “Enki”, the creator god and inventor of civilization. Adam is Hebrew for “man”, and adamah is a Hebrew word signifying dust and earth, and in Aramaic signifying blood. Havva — Hebrew for “Eve” — in Hebrew signifies life.
Yep - someone edited the wikipedia entry for first man and woman myths and took out Sumer - because, you see, Adamu was the first man in the Sumerian mythology, and it would look bad for a certain religion if people noticed that Adamu is somewhat close to Adam and then started to notice other similarities between judaism and the Sumerian myths, and then, even worse if they stumbled on my Bible Studies and started reading the PLAGIARISM section.


They fucked the narrative a bit, or perhaps it is the translators who fucked up; needless to say, supposedly Eve, the woman, was very chamad with the... tree... and not the super seductive, charming, wordly, beautiful, beguiling sna... Bringer of Light.


And then they realized they were naked.

Fancy that.

Lets go into some good ole hebrew now and try to clarify.

We know now the word for snake (haha, I mean Lucifer) is nachash; the word for the tree is ets.

It checks out - ets does mean tree, no mistranslation there.

What about hebrew for "fruit"?

Periy.

Biblesuite:

peri: fruit
Original Word: פֶּ֫רִי
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: peri
Phonetic Spelling: (per-ee')
Short Definition: fruit

Word Origin
from parah
Definition
fruit
NASB Translation
earnings* (1), foliage (1), fruit (84), fruitful (2), fruits (2), fruits* (1), offspring (11), price (1), produce (12), product (1), results (2), reward (1).

Nuances, people.

Words with multiple meaning.

Hidden subtext only for the learned (or, in today's world, with google and internet and modern technology and that most human of all traits, curiosity) or the human enough to be curious about "their" (rather, alien invader) religion.

And what do you do with the fruit?

"Eat of it", of course: akal:

akal: to eat, devour
Original Word: אֲכַל
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: akal
Phonetic Spelling: (ak-al')
Short Definition: devour

Word Origin
(Aramaic) corresponding to akal
Definition
to eat, devour
NASB Translation
brought (1), devour (2), devoured (2), eating (1), maliciously accused* (1).

Doesn't sound like much (eat the fruit), but the original English translation of the bible was not "eat" the fruit - it was "partook" the fruit (do your own research, or just trust me on this one, your choice).

You "eat" a fruit, you "partake" of an activity (like, say....eating).

Not that that is very important; just throwing it out there...


But...

What is the "forbidden fruit" phrase in most modern cultures referring to?

An apple?



You know the answer.

But just in case you are a hardcore christian,and are willfully ignorant Wiki: Forbidden fruit:

Forbidden fruit is a phrase that originates from Genesis concerning Adam and Eve in Genesis 2:16–17. In the narrative, the fruit came from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil and was eaten by Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. As a metaphor, the phrase typically refers to any indulgence or pleasure that is considered illegal or immoral.
Indulgence.

Pleasure.

Sex.

Now, it is starting to all make sense, if we let go of the mistranslated mess that is the version-for-idiots bible and instead try to translate - and, even more importantly - try to get at the nuances and really understand the not-so-hidden allusions and hidden meaning.

Adam and Eve did not make clothes for themselves and become self-conscious (and fully human) after a silly eating of fruit - they did it after having sex.

Some of my readers are probably going D'uh!, some are apopleptic, some just want me to get on with this damn story.

Fair enough.

Wipe the spittle from your lips, wipe the smirk off, stop fucking drinking that shitty American "vodka" made from corn and read on.

As you may recall, our intrepid heroine, Eve, did not eat - excuse me, partook the "eating of the fruit" with Adam.

She first "did it" with the sna... Lucifer.

Now, when she, er, "ate the fruit" with Adam, was the, er, snake still there... or perhaps we are into the typical porno threesome at this point, with Lucifer participating and teaching Adam what to do?

You know - bringing some light into this dreary world...

And as we learn every day now from that most aggressive of Abrahamic religions (islam), religion is chiefly about the denying of pleasure on this plane of existance, and, of course, obeying wicked old men promptly and without questioning... without thinking... and curiosity is frowned upon...

Or you go to hell, you sinner!

Christianity has healed itself a lot from the torah fanatical zealotry - islam still has a ways to go before it does so (and I wish the best to the people suffering under this system today, in XXI Century).



The Sumerian Adam and Eve (and snake... and fruit... and stuff)

We have dealt with the pathetic copy of a (bad) copy, the christian bible.

We have dealt with the terrible hatchet job, the hebrew bible.

Perhaps it is only fair that we learn about the original source

(Or is it? There must have been other civilizations before Sumer, which archeologists say sprang up from nothing on its own, just like ancient Egypt supposedly did - pshaw! I say).

Ancient Roots:

“Adamu” is the name in Sumerian mythology for the first man, created by “Enki”, the creator god and inventor of civilization. Adam is Hebrew for “man”, and adamah is a Hebrew word signifying dust and earth, and in Aramaic signifying blood. Havva — Hebrew for “Eve” — in Hebrew signifies life.
In the Sumerian myth, magical food is the source of immortality, not the source of its downfall, and Adamu is tricked to not eat it (the gods tell him it is poisonous), and thereby remains mortal. The Hebrew biblical account also describes such a life-giving magical food — the food of the “tree of life”, distinct from the forbidden “tree of knowledge of good and evil” — and it is chiefly to deprive them of the immortality bestowed by the fruit of the tree of life, that God exiles Adam and Eve from the garden. The tale of Cain and Abel (Genesis 4:1-16) parallels tales in Sumerian mythology of rivalries between farmer and herder gods.
The gods (extra terrestrials?) were evil in the Sumerian myth, and tricked man into NOT eating the fruit to better himself.

After analyzing the English copypasta and the hebrew copypasta, I (and perhaps you, also) have come to the conclusion that in those versions god was not the super nice guy that the friendly child molesters and people who suck babies' penises for a living make him out (it?) to be.

Wiki: Epic of Gilgamesh:

Tablet nine
Tablet nine opens with Gilgamesh roaming the wild clothed in animal skins, grieving for Enkidu. Fearful of his own death, he decides to seek Utnapishtim ("the Faraway"), and learn the secret of eternal life. Among the few survivors of the Great Flood, Utnapishtim and his wife are the only humans to have been granted immortality by the gods. Gilgamesh crosses a mountain pass at night and encounters a pride of lions. Before sleeping he prays for protection to the moon god Sin. Then, waking from an encouraging dream, he kills the lions and uses their skins for clothing. After a long and perilous journey, Gilgamesh arrives at the twin peaks of Mount Mashu at the end of the earth. He comes across a tunnel, which no man has ever entered, guarded by two terrible scorpion-men. After questioning him and recognizing his semi-divine nature, they allow him to enter it, and he passes under the mountains along the Road of the Sun. In complete darkness he follows the road for 12 "double hours", managing to complete the trip before the Sun catches up with him. He arrives at the Garden of the gods, a paradise full of jewel-laden trees.
Great Flood, again (an event which I believe really occurred, and which affected EVERY race, civilization on this planet, almost destroyed humanity totally, and still scars the memory of our modern homo sapiens).

Trees, lots of trees.

Secret of eternal life... not a fruit this time, but a plant:

Tablet eleven
(snip) 
As they are leaving, Utnapishtim's wife asks her husband to offer a parting gift. Utnapishtim tells Gilgamesh that at the bottom of the sea there lives a boxthorn-like plant that will make him young again. Gilgamesh, by binding stones to his feet so he can walk on the bottom, manages to obtain the plant. He intends to test it on an old man when he returns to Uruk. Unfortunately, when Gilgamesh stops to bathe, it is stolen by a serpent, who sheds its skin as it departs.
The snake, that trickster.

The fruit of eternal life (and what is eternal life, but knowledge, fucking knowledge, passed to new generations through clay tablets, books, and now computer drives, movies, recordings...).

Anyways, it was Abraham who was the father of the jews, and the founder of the religion that conquered the world, so where did he get his ideas?
Genesis 11:26-31 and 17:5-8 teach that Abraham himself, vaunted father of nations, is a native of the Sumerian city Ur (southeast Iraq, near the ancient mouths of the Tigris and Euphrates) under Chaldean suzerainty, growing up there some time in the second millenium BCE, and departing for Canaan (Israel and environs). Abraham's father Terah adhered to the Sumerian mythology, and was a maker and seller of idols, but Abraham rejected polytheism and his father's idols, and managed a remarkable escape from the Chaldean king's sentence of death for his heresy.
There you go - the chief plagiarist himself, at the right place and time to learn the Sumerian stories.



The Point of All This

The point of this (supposed to be) short and simple analysis of the most famous bible story (everybody has heard the myth of Adam and Eve) is to not to accept things at face value.

When someone (a guy who makes his living off dipping kids in water, perhaps later molesting them, or a guy who sucks a baby's penis with his mouth) makes a claim, and teaches it, and there are several versions of this (the big fucking clue for my retarded christian brethren is in the title of their "holy" book: The King James VERSION) is to get all the sources, analyze, compare.

Do it with everything in your daily life - if a coworker tells you that the boss told him to tell you to do one thing this way, check with other co-workers and your boss; when CNN reports on an event, check with France24, Russia Today, Reddit, and any other source you can to get at the truth.

Don't blindly accept the simplest, easiest to understand version - question it.

Be curious.

Be human - like Eve, and Adam.

And eat your damn fruit - it's good for you.

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8 comments:

Bourgeois Reactionary said...

Interesting how the Torah inverts the narrative of the Sumerians. The cabbala, a book of Jewish mysticism meant to read only by Torah scholars over the age of 40, also inverts the classical narrative so that Jews are praying to Lucifer rather than God:

Other prayers or religious acts, as interpreted by the cabbalists, are designed to deceive various angels (imagined as minor deities with a measure of independence) or to propitiate Satan. At a certain point in the morning prayer, some verses in Aramaic (rather than the more usual Hebrew) are pronounced.8 This is supposed to be a means for tricking the angels who operate the gates through which prayers enter heaven and who have the power to block the prayers of the pious. The angels only understand Hebrew and are baffled by the Aramaic verses; being somewhat dull-witted (presumably they are far less clever than the cabbalists) they open the gates, and at this moment all the prayers, including those in Hebrew, get through. Or take another example: both before and after a meal, a pious Jew ritually washes his hands, uttering a special blessing. On one of these two occasions he is worshiping God, by promoting the divine union of Son and Daughter; but on the other he is worshiping Satan, who likes Jewish prayers and ritual acts so much that when he is offered a few of them it keeps him busy for a while and he forgets to pester the divine Daughter. Indeed, the cabbalists believe that some of the sacrifices burnt in the Temple were intended for Satan. For example, the seventy bullocks sacrificed during the seven days of the feast of Tabernacles9 were supposedly offered to Satan in his capacity as ruler of all the Gentiles,10 in order to keep him too busy to interfere on the eighth day, when sacrifice is made to God. Many other examples of the same kind can be given.


...the real nature of classical Judaism is illustrated by the ease with which this system was adopted. Faith and beliefs (except nationalistic beliefs) play an extremely small part in classical Judaism. What is of prime importance is the ritual act, rather than the significance which that act is supposed to have or the belief attached to it. Therefore in times when a minority of religious Jews refused to accept the cabbala (as is the case today), one could see some few Jews performing a given religious ritual believing it to be an act of worship of God, while others do exactly the same thing with the intention of propitiating Satan - but so long as the act is the same they would pray together and remain members of the same congregation, however much they might dislike each other. But if instead of the intention attached to the ritual washing of hands anyone would dare to introduce an innovation in the manner of washing,11 a real schism would certainly ensue.

The same can be said about all sacred formulas of Judaism. Provided the working is left intact, the meaning is at best a secondary matter. For example, perhaps the most sacred Jewish formula, 'Hear 0 Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is one', recited several times each day by every pious Jew, can at the present time mean two contrary things. It can mean that the Lord is indeed 'one'; but it can also mean that a certain stage in the union of the male and female deities has been reached or is being promoted by the proper recitation of this formula. However, when Jews of a Reformed congregation recite this formula in any language other than Hebrew, all Orthodox rabbis, whether they believe in unity or in the divine sexual union, are very angry indeed.

Unfortuantely, I am not a big believer in the benevolent, omniscient, omnipotent hook-nosed
man in the sky named Yahweh so I have lacked the patience needed to acquire a deep understanding of this mythology.

Greg Bacon said...

To make you two docile slaves, ignorant of the world and reality...

And it worked, at least in the USA where damn near the entire nation has become docile and ignorant of reality.

I went to Catholic grade school and one year of high school and boy, the trouble I'd get in with the nuns for asking questions about the Bible they couldn't answer.

I wasn't trying to be a smart-ass, just was being inquisitive.

Mark Robinson said...

Interesting how the Torah inverts the narrative of the Sumerians

The jewish trick of "inverting the narrative" is something that I became aware recently not only on the Bible and the Talmud but also on the media, Hollywood, comic books and jewish intelectual arguments... They're constantly inverting the narrative in their favour, I really started to understand the word Chutzpah... their arrogance.

Anonymous said...

Interesting stuff, as usual.

As far as the association of the serpent with the morning star (Venus) goes, it seems like that association is made around the world. For instance, the Mesoamerican deity Quetzalcoatl/Kukulcan was known as the "feathered serpent" and also a representation of Venus.

Serpents were also worshiped in many societies around the world in ancient times. Here's an interesting book: Serpent Worship by C. Staniland Wake (published 1888):

books.google.com/books?id=R8qAAAAAMAAJ

Most of the interesting work in comparative religion seems to have been done about 100-150 years ago.

Anonymous said...

If I went on a camping trip with my two sons and we had a memorable trip, that became part of our family lore, and in time their children recounted the basic tenets of the story, with their unique style. Would you conclude that one group of my grandchildren were copying from the others because the story was similar?

Anonymous said...

"Think on this for one moment, let it sink in - the god (he? it? alien? yahweh?) er, thing, forbade our human intrepid innocents to "eat of" the tree of knowledge, because, "thou shalt surely die."

I used to have a similar understanding of the text to yours. I now think what was meant was that if mankind learned of concepts like charity or deceit, they would destroy themselves because humans naturally impose no limits on themselves,even those who would like to impose strict limitations on others. Charity breeds jealousy, jealousy breeds hatred, hatred breeds murder. The knowledge of lies and deceitfulness causes resentment in the manipulated party,the resentment boils over into anger, and the anger manifests in murder.

Something like that.

Your research is very good,but my own understanding is that it is not "nachash",but "nechesh", or neschutan. Which was a "wyrm" or snakelike entity.

There is,however,nothing in the Jewish text to indicate that this figure was Satan, but rather simply a dragon or serpent of some kind. It does have rather Enuma Elish-like overtones, what with the serpent being the origin of both evil and good in this world and whatnot. I would not be surprised to find out that the Sumerian creation myth HAD been plagiarized by the Jews.

The first commenter has confused ceremonial magic which contains cabbalistic formulas for the Qabala itself.Qabala makes no mention of worshiping Satan,or any deity at all. It is more like a collection of meditations and instructions on certain Middle Eastern mystical concepts,such as sacred geometry,natural symmetry,numerology,Eastern alchemy,and the like.

The ceremonial magic which utilizes sigils,angelic names and stations,numerology and astrology of Jewish Cabbalistic texts,such as Sepher Raziel, was largely an invention of 12th and 13th century European Christian whites.Jews had symbols to ward off,for instance, Lilith (Lilitu?), but it was white heretical magicians who created formulas for the evocation of demons and angels.

To the first commenter's credit, his ignorance of the subject was admitted candidly and fairly gracefully.I am quite knowledgeable myself, having practiced the European White applications of Qabala for many years.

Any veteran will tell you that the idea is not to outwit angels,however.Angels are deemed to be far more formidable than the devil himself. The order is precisely backwards. The ceremonial use of the Qabala is in purifying oneself and becoming holy in the sight of God, so that he will grant you protection in basically shaking down demons,who are supposed to control the wealth and power of this world for special favors.

So the idea is (1) Become like God,or at least favored by God,and then (2) Bully the devil, who is supposed to be inferior in power to Yahweh,into coughing up gold and jewels and naked bitches and governmental power.

In these ceremonies, occasionally sacrifices are offered to the demons, but usually by people who are attempting to make a pact with a specific demon as per the Grimoirum Verum and/or Grand Grimoire.

It is generally assumed that attempting to do the same regarding angels is a very bad idea, even by Luciferians and Theistic Satanists, who also opt to get their goodies from demons. They do this by either practicing undiluted diabolism;or by appealing to the boss, Satan, for their authority in pushing the devil's underlings around.

In fact, the OP sounds very much like a Luciferian.The same basic interpretation of the Genesis story is espoused by both Luciferians and the author. This isn't any kind of value judgment,mind you,for I once espoused and promoted a similar approach to theology.It's a very good framework upon which to build.

divineadvancedhumanbeings.com said...

A topic of much interest, speculation and belief systems! Wanted to share the following for those that may be open rather than remaining closed to old belief systems…..

The Myth of Adam and Eve, Who Were They?

Eve was not a woman but an advanced computer – “Eveas Triangulatus”. Of course the ancient writers didn’t understand what a computer was, so the resulting literature derived from that era, are allegorical in nature; however, they do describe an interesting and most important time in our history. It is this singularity in history that we all need to study and be familiar with because all religions that exist today found their beginnings in this relationship of man and advanced beings. Understanding this explains a great deal. Our beliefs are created around false interpretations of ancient occurrences. If we understand the truth, it helps us to find the right path that leads to God, the path that leads to eternal salvation. Following the path of primitive beliefs only lead us back to the earth for another life. When we can empty our minds of those things we think, feel or believe to be true, then we have a mind waiting to learn, to be filled with the knowledge of those who know!

Adam was a human who worked with advanced beings. Advanced, meaning they had discovered and had access to advanced technology; maybe better defined as “other dimensional technology”. Eveas Triangulatus describes an advanced computer; a computer which did a myriad of tasks; one of which was, to facilitate telepathic communication. Telepathy is a by- product of other dimensional physiology. Advanced beings don’t breathe oxygen and because of this, they must remove all organs requiring oxygen; as a result, they no longer require a voice box. They sacrifice these human characteristics in order to have extreme longevity of life. A characteristic, that along with other sacrificed physical characteristics, they soon come to miss.

The story of Adam is a tale about a group of humans who were considered second class citizens. These humans were those who did the jobs that their advanced overseers did not care to do for themselves. Over time these humans understood and could work with the advanced technologies that had been provided for them in order to do their jobs.

The evolution of computers follows a singular path. For instance- all technologies, given enough time, will all evolve to the same place. In other words, there are no differences between an advanced computer and a divine computer; they all do the same job. The only difference is the being that is operating it. [more….]

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AmericanGoy said...

Going back to these old comments is illuminating (zing!).

Grimorium Verum sound like something straight out of The Club Dumas (Ninth Gate)... downloaded, of course.

Eveas Computerum you say?

Fascinating! ;-)